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The Question No One Asks

June 18, 2025 by Mr. 1500 Days 20 Comments

Money Versus Time: Change Is Hard

The FI crowd has a hard time giving up old habits. Optimizing for hardcore saving and investing will get you to the Promised Land of FI. But it will hold you back once you’ve arrived. Two examples:

1. Tool Time

I have infinite tools from all of my remodeling projects. Most of the time they’re in storage, so I readily lend them out.

A couple of years ago, someone wanted to borrow one of them. He used it and quickly returned it, but later borrowed it at least a couple more times.

I thought the situation was a bit strange because this person doesn’t live close and is wealthy. The tool was about $35, but this person had spent hours driving to my place to pick it up and then return it. It wasn’t worth their time. They should have just bought the tool themselves and then sold or donated it when they were done. The issue is that they were still prioritizing money over time, although they didn’t need to do so.

2. Mo’ Money, Less Time

And I’m one to talk! I have enough, but have still sought out exotic investments including private equity and private loans. The former took a long time to figure out how to properly execute. Private loans are tedious too. I’m not handing out money unless I’m confident in the deal, so there is a lot of reseach involved. Why am I not just buying index funds so I never have to think about money?

The Big FI Mistake

I still vividly remember being in college and having no money. I had a job at the computer lab and earned minimum wage which was $3.35/hour. (Yes, I’m old.) My apartment rent was paid for, but everything else came out my shitty wages. I was probably malnourished in some way because I ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for lunch and spaghetti for dinner. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. About once a month, I would go out to eat at the McDonald’s. A value meal back then was about $3 and it seemed like an extravagant splurge. I would spend waaaaaay too much time debating in my head whether I should get the Big Mac or Quarter Pounder value meal.

When I finally did start making money, I made very minor tweaks to my life. I bought better food. I took trips with friends (although stayed in budget hotels or camped). But even now, I keep it pretty simple and frugal:

  • Costco clothes are fine. I treat my clothes gently and when something gets permanently stained, I move it to the Work Clothes Drawer. Note: I’m a slob, so the Work Clothes Drawer is almost filled to capacity.
  • Why spend more than $15 on a pair of sunglasses when I’ll most likely destroy or lose them in a month?
  • Why do I need to spend $2,000 on a new bicycle because it’s 2 pounds lighter than my current one? I’d be much better off losing 2 pounds of belly fat to accomplish the same result.

But there are opportunities for improvement…

Time >>> Money (after you’ve made it)

The biggest mistake I see FI people making is undervaluing their time and overvaluing their money. I’ve seen wealthy folks debate parking and airport shuttle strategies for way longer than they should when the difference is $2/day. This isn’t what you should be spending your precious time thinking about. I’ve recently come to the conclusion that for trips under a week, I should park in the super close lot that costs 2x what the cheap lot is, but saves me 90 minutes of time waiting for/riding on parking lot shuttles. At this point in my life:

Time >>> Money

But I can also see why these debates happen. FI people are great at optimization; so good in fact that they’ve accumulated enough to liberate themselves from formal work decades before most. If you’ve been doing something for decades and it’s worked well for you, it’s difficult to pivot.

Just to be clear, I’m not advocating lifestyle inflation:

Lifestyle inflation: Also known as lifestyle creep, refers to the tendency for spending to increase as income increases, even though the individual may not be financially better off. In essence, it’s a cycle where individuals spend more as they earn more, often without a corresponding increase in savings or debt reduction.

Instead, I’m advocating for life inflation:

Life inflation: Using money to maximize time to do what you love and eliminate what you don’t. This is different from lifestyle inflation which often results in mindless purchases. Humans think that a bigger home or nicer car will lead to more happiness. But often these purchases have the opposite effect. That bigger house comes with a bigger tax and insurance bill and more space to maintain. The expensive euro-sedan isn’t cheap to buy or own. It’s a beautiful object that you have to worry about. In life inflation, the focus is happiness which is strongly influenced by simplicity. Simplicity is often the opposite of lifestyle inflation.

But many FI Folks continue to live like they did when they had no money, even though they have it now. I’ve seen:

  • People who keep their thermostat set to 85 in the summer or 55 in the winter. When it’s hot, how well do you sleep? I also don’t want to be able to see my breath in my home.
  • Buying cheap, low quality food. Just because it’s on the clearance rack at the store doesn’t mean you should eat it.
  • Being inconsiderate to others. This is one of my big peeves. An example from my life: I went for a hike with a group of friends and we decided to go out to eat afterwards. One of the people in the group ordered the cheapest thing on the menu, a cup of soup (not even the bowl!). When we got back to my place, he told me how hungry he was and helped himself to multiple helpings of food from our kitchen.

Life isn’t static. It’s silly not to pivot when conditions change. If you lose your job, perhaps you shouldn’t take the fancy vacation. And if you end up in a good place with money, you should embrace that too and stop comparing the price per ounce of cheese at the grocery store.

It’s Hard To Spend

Many of the best things we’ve spent money are the simplest:

  • House cleaner: I’d rather play guitar or practice Spanish than vacuum.
  • Auto repair: My dad was a big proponent of buying American made cars. I appreciate the sentiment, but when I was a kid, Detroit was struggling: Hello awful Chevy Citation! Anyway, I know how to work on cars, but loathe it. So I don’t do it now.
  • TSA Precheck: I despise waiting in lines.
  • Rideshares instead of rentals: Waiting at the rental counter sucks. So does driving and finding parking in an unfamiliar city.

Most of our elevated spending is about reducing the friction of life; happiness by subtraction. The more stuff you can subtract from your life, the more time you have for whatever lights you up.

Tips

Stop thinking big. I always wondered what big things I could add to my life to increase happiness. Then a funny thing happened. Mindy and I were on the Ramit Sehti show and I gave myself permission to spend. I bought some big ticket items like a cruise for my extended family. But now that I had the green light to spend on anything, I mostly wanted nothing. Our neighborhood is fine. So are our cars. No big changes needed. Life is good.

It turns out that much of the happiness we’ve bought is the result of decreasing the friction of daily life.

  • Having a cleaner.
  • Subscribing to Kindle Unlimited for books.
  • Spending extra money on high quality items like tools that don’t break when you need them most.
  • A membership to the local rec center for workouts.
  • Meal prep service to learn how to make healthier food.

All of these things have increased the amount of time we have or increased our health.

Stop thinking about the small stuff. It just isn’t worth spending an hour trying to get a slightly better deal for a hotel room. Don’t spend a lot of time price shopping items at the grocery store.

Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. I struggled for the longest time with this mentality:

I can do it myself, so it’s silly to pay someone else to do it.

Wrong! If you hate it, outsource it.

Fitness/health. Don’t ever cheap out here. If you aren’t healthy, life sucks. Besides, spending a little more when you’re young will pay great dividends when you’re old. Note: I do NOT eat at McDonald’s now.

Coupons, discount codes. Not worth your time.

Your quest to save a dollar could be hurting others. Without getting into too many details to protect the guilty, someone I know was struggling with a conference she was organizing. A very wealthy friend of mine asked her for a discount. Dude, she needs the money waaaaay more than you.

Experiment and be OK with failure. Few choices in life aren’t reversible. If you think something will bring you happiness, go for it! When the McMansion or Euro sedan don’t bring you joy, sell them. You’ll have eliminated a potential regret and learned something about yourself.

Be thankful. I’ll never forget my time when I was in loads of debt from a worthless degree ($60,000, Biology/Chemistry). Money was a struggle. I remind myself how good my life is every day.

Be generous. I don’t understand why Warren Buffett is 94 and worth $154,000,000,000 (thats 154 BILLION folks). He is going to give most of it away when he dies, but why wait? I want to see my money doing good. While I don’t want my name on the side of a building ever, it would be pretty cool to see the local library get an upgrade on my dime while I’m alive.

Simplicity Is The Answer

It’s great to be crazy frugal when early in life. A dollar saved at 20 means way more than one saved when you’re 40. Also, most 20 year olds usually have a lot more time than money. It’s the perfect time to optimize for saving and investing.

But be careful not to get stuck in the rut. When you reach a point where money becomes a diminishing return, focus on your time. Use your wealth to buy some of it back.

And it doesn’t have to be so binary either. A life of simplicity is the happiest and in many ways, the least expensive. My favorite examples of FI folks are the ones whose lives didn’t change much along the way. If you live simply, FI isn’t a goal. It’s just a side-effect of a life well lived.

The main things I want in life are to raise good, well adjusted kids and to have great friends to share my adventures with.

  • The kids are teens now and will flee the nest. We hope we’ll always be a part of their lives and will choose to live close, but I would never expect that of them. If they move away, perhaps we’ll live in their part of the world for parts of the year.
  • We’re so fortunate to live here in Colorado which is like a giant magnet for interesting and fun people. It’s hard to make friends as an adult. Even harder when other humans mostly terrify you. So I’m thankful that we have such a great community. Life is good.

We once had a neighbor who told other neighbors that she thought we were poor because she’d see me working on cars and engaged in other forms of manual labor. If she only knew! But maybe I should have taken her comments to heart just a little.

The Question No One Asks

FIRE folks love to come down with a bad case of the What Ifs, all related to running out to money:

What if I get sick and have big health bills?

What happens if I discover an expensive hobby?

What happens if retirement is more expesive than I thought it would be?

But the most important question is one I never hear anyone ask:

What if I run out of life?

Y’all are smart and tend to be very conservative with money. You probably won’t run out of it, but if you do, I’m confident you’ll be able to figure it out. However, I am certain that you will die. How much will you leave on the table if you don’t get started soon?

Life is good.

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  1. Roberto says

    June 18, 2025 at 2:40 pm

    Carl,

    “What if I run out of life?” is the question I had hoped you would ask as I was reading your last post (“Thought Exercises”)!

    I agree that your “Time >>>> Money” formulation is right on target. I have family members who have more money than they need (i.e., pension and SS far exceed the normal spending, and the RMDs just pile up in a checking account) and yet they still do so many things that very much qualify as “cheap” behavior. It’s really something to behold, and not in a good way.

    My goal has been to get more comfortable with spending more (especially since I’m only semi-retired at this point*), but even that’s a bit of a challenge. My wife has trouble grasping why I’m OK with spending an extra $200 or $300 for a non-stop flight or a flight at a better time (this improves my quality of life) but then I won’t spend $15 at McDonalds or Chick-fil-A and instead would rather wait and eat something at home (it’s not about the money, it’s about the effect on my health).

    Also, my thermostat settings are 82 in the summer and 70 in the winter, not because I want to save money*, but because I hate being even a little bit cold. So, I will gladly pay for higher energy usage in winter and it happens that my comfortable indoor summer temperature means that my AC gets fairly little usage outside of July/August.

    * OK. the 70 in winter is a little bit driven by wanting to save money, but also a bit by the fact that having the heat set much higher than that makes the house feel quite stuffy.

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    • Mr. 1500 Days says

      June 18, 2025 at 2:59 pm

      We have some relatives like that too! Millions of dollars and they eat moldy food and obsess over prices. When people like this die, they’ll make someone else very happy.

      Temperatures: It’s a good thing we don’t live in the same household! 🙂 I despise the heat! It’s AWFUL here now in Colorado (90s). As soon as the kids are out, I’m heading to the mountains for the summer.

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  2. Bob Reisner says

    June 18, 2025 at 6:33 pm

    I think you finally get it. This post is 100% on the mark. Some successful people never figure this our. Congrats.

    Reply
  3. Lee says

    June 19, 2025 at 11:25 am

    What about when you’re right on the threshold, but feel uncertain about future expenses? I’m at my 4% number but just had a kid. How do I know how much more I should work and save before feeling ok to let go of the job?

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    • Roberto says

      June 19, 2025 at 12:05 pm

      That really depends on many different factors. The main one is really whether you want to have that time with your child in the early years rather than being working. If your job/career is one that is easy to step away from and return to later, I would suggest that you go for it. Pull the trigger, so to speak, recognizing that if in 2, 5, or 8 years if you feel like you really need to go back to your full-time job/career that you can.

      If you have a job/career that is hard to take a long break from (like medicine or law), then you might set a milestone (e.g., kid starts walking, kid reaches the age where travel would be memorable/enjoyable, etc.) and then structure your plan around that.

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      • Lee says

        June 19, 2025 at 2:37 pm

        This is my big debate now. Do I go back to work after parental leave for a year, then take a few years off. Or do it now..

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    • Mr. 1500 Days says

      June 21, 2025 at 9:19 am

      I am willing to take on a lot of risk, so I’d err on the side of leaving sooner than later, especially with a kid.

      But also, most decisions in life are reversible. And even if you couldn’t get your old job back, since you’re already at your number, it wouldn’t take much income to ride out a storm.

      Perhaps you could take a sabbatical?

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      • Lee says

        June 22, 2025 at 8:30 am

        I think my big challenge mentally is figuring out how much more we will be spending now that we have a kid.

        The plan now is to enjoy my parental leave and see where we are afterwards.

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        • Joy says

          August 11, 2025 at 9:02 am

          Have you done the child care calculation? To see if the money you are making over that is worth it to you.

          I was angry when I went back to work after my first because I felt that I was paying someone a lot of money to do a worse job than I could do, I changed to part time and that helped but after my second, I retired. Figuring out sick care and days that childcare is closed are stressful when you have two working parents. Me not working released that stress from my SO and within a short time he was able to be promoted to cover the amount that I was bringing in over childcare so it’s not been any real change to our savings. If you are both RE, what a gift to your child! To have two parents around to shoulder the load, play, and make memories. (Though I have to warn you, they won’t remember the specifics of all that you do this young but you’ll both have great memories!)

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  4. Paul Van Betten says

    June 19, 2025 at 12:29 pm

    “If you live simply, FI isn’t a goal. It’s simply a byproduct of a life well lived
    Man… Really love this quote and can totally relate. Pretty much sums it up if you have the right life philosophy along the FI journey. . “
    I think some people, Like myself are hardwired this way . This philosophy, 100% works for me. I try not to sound like an FI evangelist, but some people I have spoken to over the years just could really not grasp this concept… And thus just kind of stuck

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  5. Nohorseleftbehind says

    June 20, 2025 at 12:07 pm

    Ok I am going to order Chipotle delivery now, after 10 minutes of fruitless searching for a promo code. 🙂

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  6. Irish Andy says

    June 21, 2025 at 12:57 am

    I would go one step further, perhaps the question no one asks is……

    What mission do we have in our lives once we reach financial freedom?

    Lets say interest on 5 or 6 million is about half a million a year, imagine what good you could do with that in the world every year. Imagine your money as energy, and you get to direct it to your mission. Your mission could be going on luxury cruises, or perhaps it is caring for sick animals.

    Does anyone know where I could find some early retires with a bid of cash in excess, who are living mission driven lives. I would like to organise an online meetup.

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  7. Ms. FUnds says

    June 22, 2025 at 11:57 am

    Yes! This is exactly what I needed to read. When I have so many things that are “set it and forget it” for my future, it’s time to see how “elevated spending” can help with “reducing the friction of life” in the present day.
    Thank you for this article!

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  8. Andy says

    June 24, 2025 at 12:03 am

    I’m dropping off my daughter for college this fall. Your post motivated me to cancel my super cheap flight at an inconvenient time with a connection and replace with a more expensive direct flight at a convenient time. With the time saved, we will have more time and energy to do fun stuff before college drop off. Thanks’

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  9. Kenny says

    June 24, 2025 at 8:47 pm

    Really good thoughts. I do think FI can and should be a goal though. You have to build that muscle to enjoy the lack of friction later. You have to enjoy life along the way and I can see if you are overly focused on FI you can miss out on a lot. On the other hand with FI and even along the path to FI, the options you have to overcome life’s challenges are so immense. FI is not the end all but it is one heck of a foundation for a good life!

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  10. KaLynn says

    June 25, 2025 at 7:42 am

    Wow, a cup of soup, not even a bowl! That made me chuckle…is your friend George Costanza?!

    On vacation at the lake last week I joked with my husband about getting some soup from the snack bar as we wrangled two tired, sandy kids to the car. He looked at me and said, “I know you wouldn’t be ordering the cup!”
    HA! At least we provide balance to each other.

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  11. Revanche@agaishanlife.com says

    June 27, 2025 at 11:37 am

    It’s funny I’d been thinking about how I’ve been making those choices now. I’m paying for therapy and fitness help regularly now to improve my health and quality of life. To get work done on the house that we will appreciate now rather than living with it for 25 years and only renovating it to sell – apparently that’s just what people do around here so much that our tradespeople asked when we were listing the house. Hopefully not for two more decades, I don’t want to move again! 🙂
    But while these aren’t fantastically expensive, they add up and that’s partly why we’re not at FI yet. I don’t *regret* it. I think being miserably in pain and mean to everyone because of it until retirement age is the worse choice vs choosing to do the therapy and exercise now, breaking bad habits that hurt me and everyone around me, so that I’ll still have friends and family if / when we retire. I *am* hyperaware that taking the less financially optimized route means we could run out of time before we hit the right number. It’s not my favorite reality to sit with but it’s the best we’ve got for now.
    I DO worry about what’s happening in the country now and whether we’re going to have any rights left a year from now, and whether we need to consider alternatives to the US if this trajectory doesn’t break, which means setting up entirely new financial safeguards. I’ve already lost friends to the inhumane deportation sweeps and as a not-white person myself, knowing that the color of our skin is more determinative of our safety because they simply do not care whether we’re citizens since we’re not white, it’s an incredibly tough puzzle to solve for.
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  12. L says

    June 27, 2025 at 1:15 pm

    I think another question is also money vs. values. If a product is more expensive at a different place, but the retailer aligns with my values on how to treat employees and make a difference in the world, I’d rather spend the additional dollars with them. There are many businesses out there that, no matter how much time or money they save me, I wouldn’t want to support.

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  13. John says

    June 30, 2025 at 10:34 pm

    Great Post and even better comments. To give you some info on me:
    1) I am old – 62 and I retired in 2024, My wife is 60 and retired today! Looking back I would give a kings ransom to spend more time with my kids when they were young. You will never get the time back but you can always get more money.
    2) If you come up short find a part time job that will fill in your cash shortfall. If you can complete a sentence, are reliable and have a work ethic SOMEONE will hire you. Work at Safeway in the produce department, Costco at the gas station, or find a job in something you are passionate about and you will get paid.
    3) Understand your cash flow. Spend money on important things, eliminate the junk. My wife and I recently traveled abroad and helped a mother with three kids because her husband and other child took a different airline because of some promo that they had. She was crying, the kids were crying and I bet they didn’t save shit. We became the surrogate grandparents, helping her carry luggage and car seats and kids,.
    4) Your kids wont care if there clothes come from Costco, or a rummage sale or Goodwill. They care that they have parents who will draw on the driveway in chalk, read them books, take a nap with them and just be there.
    5) Finally, my FIL died last year. In the last year of his life he would not spend $13 for a shingles shot. He got shingles in his eyes, lost his vision and the last year of his life on this planet was miserable. All for $13. He died leaving an estate of millions of dollars. I wonder how much he would pay to get his life back.

    Things always work out.

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  14. Kevin says

    July 5, 2025 at 5:52 pm

    I like the re framing of the Ramit interview. I remember listening to that and he kept saying something to the effect of “I don’t think you really want to change” and he was framing that as a negative thing. Seems like now you can just say you don’t want to change because you truly love where you are. Carl for the win!

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1/1/14 (1 Yr Later): $869,635
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